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Crum & Forster vs. Pie Insurance for Workers' Comp
Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance are two workers' compensation carriers we can quote side by side through Provident Financial Group, an independent agency. On one application we present every carrier we can access, ranked, so you can compare and purchase online.
Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance take different approaches to workers' compensation for small businesses. The details below come directly from each carrier's record on this site — we present the facts we have verified so you can compare them directly, then request quotes through our agency. We do not rank one carrier above another; we show every option side by side.
When you submit one application through US Workers Comp Insure, we request quotes from every carrier we can access for your class code and state, including both Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance where each carrier's appetite and underwriting criteria allow it. A carrier that declines is shown honestly rather than hidden, and a licensed agent at Provident Financial Group can explain why and what alternatives remain.
The two carriers
Crum & Forster
Crum & Forster is a specialty commercial insurer founded in 1896, headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey, and owned by Fairfax Financial Holdings since 1998. AM Best upgraded its rating to A+ (Superior) in August 2025, and the company writes workers' comp through specialty program divisions.
- AM Best rating:
- A+ (Superior) (as of 2025-08)
- How it’s quoted:
- Through our agency, alongside other carriers
Workers’ comp highlights
- AM Best upgraded Financial Strength Rating to A+ (Superior); Long-Term ICR aa- (Superior), announced August 28, 2025
- Founded 1896; headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey
- Owned by Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited since a 1998 acquisition
- Writes workers' compensation through specialty program divisions
- Broad specialty commercial underwriting platform across multiple industries
- Distributed through independent agents
Typical fit
- Businesses in industries served by one of Crum & Forster's specialty program divisions
- Employers seeking a long-established specialty insurer with a recently upgraded rating
- Accounts with risk characteristics that benefit from tailored program underwriting
- Businesses working with an independent agent experienced with specialty placements
Pie Insurance
Pie Insurance is a Washington, D.C.-based insurtech founded in 2017, built around pay-as-you-go workers' comp for small business. Pie carries an AM Best Financial Strength Rating of A- (Excellent), secured in 2023 when it completed its transition to a rated carrier underwriting its own paper.
- AM Best rating:
- A- (Excellent) (as of 2023-02)
- How it’s quoted:
- Through our agency, alongside other carriers
Workers’ comp highlights
- AM Best Financial Strength Rating of A- (Excellent), secured February 2, 2023
- Pay-as-you-go billing built into the product from launch, synced to payroll
- Founded 2017 in Washington, D.C.
- Became a rated, full-stack carrier underwriting its own policies in 2023
- Digital-first application process aimed at small businesses
- Works with independent agents in addition to direct online quoting
Typical fit
- Small businesses that want payroll-synced, pay-as-you-go billing
- Employers seeking a fully digital application and policy-management experience
- Newer or growing businesses without extensive claims history
- Accounts comfortable with a newer, insurtech-model carrier
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Side by side
| Attribute | Crum & Forster | Pie Insurance |
|---|---|---|
| Carrier | Crum & Forster | Pie Insurance |
| AM Best financial strength rating | A+ (Superior) (as of 2025-08) | A- (Excellent) (as of 2023-02) |
| How it's quoted | Through our agency, alongside other carriers | Through our agency, alongside other carriers |
| Typical account fit | Businesses in industries served by one of Crum & Forster's specialty program divisions; Employers seeking a long-established specialty insurer with a recently upgraded rating; Accounts with risk characteristics that benefit from tailored program underwriting | Small businesses that want payroll-synced, pay-as-you-go billing; Employers seeking a fully digital application and policy-management experience; Newer or growing businesses without extensive claims history |
| Overview | Crum & Forster is a specialty commercial insurer founded in 1896, headquartered in Morristown, New Jersey, and owned by Fairfax Financial Holdings since 1998. AM Best upgraded its rating to A+ (Superior) in August 2025, and the company writes workers' comp through specialty program divisions. | Pie Insurance is a Washington, D.C.-based insurtech founded in 2017, built around pay-as-you-go workers' comp for small business. Pie carries an AM Best Financial Strength Rating of A- (Excellent), secured in 2023 when it completed its transition to a rated carrier underwriting its own paper. |
How each is quoted through our agency
Crum & Forster
Quoted through our agency alongside other carriers; we present every option side by side so you can compare and purchase online.
Pie Insurance
Quoted through our agency alongside other carriers; we present every option side by side so you can compare and purchase online.
The bottom line
There is no single "best" carrier between Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance. The right fit depends on your operation, class codes, payroll and how each carrier's underwriting appetite lines up with your account — and that is exactly what one application, sent to every carrier we can access, is built to show you.
Rather than choosing one carrier up front, US Workers Comp Insure requests quotes from every carrier we can access for your state and class code, including Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance where each carrier's criteria allow it, and presents them ranked side by side. A carrier that declines is shown honestly rather than hidden, and a licensed agent at Provident Financial Group can explain why and what alternatives remain.
Frequently asked questions
Are Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance both available through your agency?
Yes. Both are carriers we can present side by side when you request workers' compensation quotes through our agency, alongside the other carriers we can access for your state and class code.
How do Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance compare on AM Best rating?
Crum & Forster carries an AM Best financial strength rating of A+ (Superior) (as of 2025-08), and Pie Insurance carries A- (Excellent) (as of 2023-02). Ratings are for identification only and do not imply an endorsement.
Which should I choose, Crum & Forster or Pie Insurance?
There is no single best answer. The right carrier depends on your operation, class codes, payroll and how each carrier's underwriting appetite fits your account. Rather than picking one up front, we request quotes from every carrier we can access and show you a ranked comparison so you can decide.
Do I have to choose only one carrier to get a quote?
No. You submit one application and we request quotes from every carrier we can access for your account — including Crum & Forster and Pie Insurance where each carrier's criteria allow it — then present them ranked side by side.
Who owns Crum & Forster?
Crum & Forster has been owned by Fairfax Financial Holdings Limited since Fairfax acquired it in 1998.
What is Crum & Forster's current AM Best rating?
AM Best upgraded Crum & Forster Insurance Group's members to a Financial Strength Rating of A+ (Superior) and a Long-Term Issuer Credit Rating of aa- (Superior) on August 28, 2025.
How long has Pie Insurance been a rated carrier?
Pie secured its AM Best Financial Strength Rating of A- (Excellent) on February 2, 2023, when it completed its transition to underwriting its own policies as a full-stack carrier.
Does Pie only offer pay-as-you-go billing?
Pie's workers' comp product is built around pay-as-you-go billing synced to payroll, which is a core feature of how the company structures its policies.
Sources
- cfins.com — https://www.cfins.com/crum-forster-upgraded-to-a-superior-financial-strength-rating-and-aa-superior-credit-rating-by-am-best/
- cfins.com — https://www.cfins.com/about/financial-highlights/
- pieinsurance.com — https://www.pieinsurance.com/resource-center/press/pie-secures-am-best-rating
- pieinsurance.com — https://www.pieinsurance.com/about/timeline
- prnewswire.com — https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pie-insurance-secures-a--excellent-credit-ratings-from-am-best-and-completes-transition-to-a-rated-full-stack-carrier-301736881.html
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